mcf57
Active Member
Can someone tell me a good reason WHY toilets, sinks, dishwashers and fridges have shutoff valves. Yet showers and tubs don’t and require shutting off main water supply to house. Ridiculous
I had a good feeling it had to do with cost, but was hoping it was another reason. Guess not.My Delta shower valves has integrated stops where I can shut off the water just to this showers, but leave the water on throughout the house. Most builders will install the cheapest items found on the shelves.
It would be nice to have a shut off for the toilet, before the stop/shut off valve, but more valves = higher costs.
Sometimes common sense wins out over code.I added shutoff to all my showers / tubs and washing machine.
Probably code violation because there behind an access panel, but I don't care, there helpful if you need to work on it
But they have life jackets in the event of a water landing!How come commercial passenger airplanes don’t have parachutes
Everyone would get trampled and die, trying to get the door open, plus no one would have a clue how to put one on. To many moth holes from being stored to long. Plus if they did get the door open they would all get sucked out Into the engine, they would need a special chute door in the very back or bottom of the plane.Less is more sometimes. I chose Delta tub shower valves without integral stops and I didn’t add any.
How come commercial passenger airplanes don’t have parachutes ? That should bug the crap out of you if you fly…….if you’re concerned about no cut off on your tub valve
I get it, until you find out that you really should have had them.Less is more sometimes. I chose Delta tub shower valves without integral stops and I didn’t add any.
How come commercial passenger airplanes don’t have parachutes ? That should bug the crap out of you if you fly…….if you’re concerned about no cut off on your tub valve
I guess it depends on how long it takes you to get the parts you need and how .ong it takes you to fix it....I’m a homeowner and a plumber and I chose to not have integral stops or stops in my wall.
I didn’t feel the need. I can understand why it sounds like a great idea but in the long run it’s just something else to go bad in the typical home.
A lot. I won’t use integral stops unless I have no other good choice.Exactly how many failures of a shower valves buil in stops do you encounter? My guess is few to none. So “one more thing to go wrong” is no reason not to do it.
Most homeowners are not plumbers. So the convenience factor is well worth the cost…to me at least.
I sure could have used them today replacing the Moen 1222.
The world we live in now builders just throw up the trash so they can collect the cash. The home i live in currently was built in 1949 and is going strong. I wish i was going to be around to see what new houses today will look like in 75 years, shoot even 50 years.I get it, until you find out that you really should have had them.
The problem with most builders and contractors is they do NOT live with the designs and implementations. The homeowners do. While it's no problem to tear out a chunk of closet drywall to access the back of a tub or shower valve, then there's the remediation.
A local builder around here builds homes so close together (because the damn town lets him) that if you sneeze, your neighbor says "Bless You". They are vinyl sided because vinyl is cheap (and crap). Well CODE says we need Low-E glass, and it reflects heat--onto your neighbor's home and MELTS the siding! No joke.
Another builder uses a one piece push pull integral toilet stop and hose to save the two pieces of a proper hose and shutoff. It's great until it fails (they are crap) and then the homeowner is left with a massive damage claim. The more complex proper shutoff with a quality connector is really better for the homeowner. Yes it costs about $20 per toilet instead of less than $10. On an $800K house should anyone care?
Another uses a reasonable shutoff valve but a one piece plastic tube to connect to toilet. They crack easily, and also leave a mess for the homeowner. I've changed those out, usually in advance.
I'll take a bit more complex when it provides a better solution even if it costs more.
It’s been gone for long before I was born for the average house. Lumber quality sucks.Pride from home builders is gone forever.
Pump 'em out, make a bunch of money, BK that company, and begin a new construction project under a new name. This is what occurs in Southern Kalifornia.
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