NIBCO outdoor faucet options?

[FLForester]

We moved into a house 3 years ago built in 1991. One of the three outdoor faucets is hard to fully shut off. While I have dreaded this, I know it's time to give it attention. I cleaned off the old paint and stucco slop to identify the faucet as a NIBCO (it says so on opposite side). I have sprayed it with penetrating oil several times in preparation for disassembly. I know the faucet must be carefully braced to get the stem cracked loose. My thought is to replace the entire stem versus just the washer. Are parts like that still available? Since the whole house must be shut off I'd like to make sure I have what is required and not get in a jam. Thank you.

 

[Geofd]

There's gonna be a flat washer and screw holding the washer on,put a valve in while the waters off

 

[Twowaxhack]

You can get the parts, they still fit.

Order one of these and rob the parts out of it.

https://www.nibco.com/nibco-products/valves/boiler-drains/74-cl/

 

[FLForester]

You can get the parts, they still fit.

Order one of these and rob the parts out of it.

https://www.nibco.com/nibco-products/valves/boiler-drains/74-cl/

Thank you! That is exactly the sort of info I was hoping to obtain. So many valves "appear" similar. I did not want to make any assumptions. I appreciate your insight.

 

[Twowaxhack]

Thank you! That is exactly the sort of info I was hoping to obtain. So many valves "appear" similar. I did not want to make any assumptions. I appreciate your insight.

I believe the one I posted will fit. For what it costs it’s worth a shot. No guarantee……but in good faith I believe it’s the correct one.

 

[FLForester]

I believe the one I posted will fit. For what it costs it’s worth a shot. No guarantee……but in good faith I believe it’s the correct one.

While I surely believed you, sir, I wrote to the NIBCO technical department simply to confirm, and to also see if I could buy stems separately as the body is not required. Their response was this:

"This is a Figure 63/763 “North American” model. We don’t have replacement parts for this model. The 74-CL uses the Classic Pro bonnet assembly and they’re not compatible. They look very similar but the dimensions are slightly different, the Classic Pro is larger."

Once I learned that, I found my faucet could be either the 63CL or the 763CL depending on if it was threaded or sweated and they came either 1/2" or 3/4." This was irrelevant as I just really wanted stems anyway. BUT, further searching for valves revealed a NIBCO history page which listed an entire stem kit that was available: part # T090640 (fits 1/2" or 3/4"). I found a few sources for them via Internet search and 3 are on the way as I type this. I wanted to share the info in case it is helpful to you or anyone else dealing with discontinued NIBCO valves.

 

[Twowaxhack]

While I surely believed you, sir, I wrote to the NIBCO technical department simply to confirm, and to also see if I could buy stems separately as the body is not required. Their response was this:

"This is a Figure 63/763 “North American” model. We don’t have replacement parts for this model. The 74-CL uses the Classic Pro bonnet assembly and they’re not compatible. They look very similar but the dimensions are slightly different, the Classic Pro is larger."

Once I learned that, I found my faucet could be either the 63CL or the 763CL depending on if it was threaded or sweated and they came either 1/2" or 3/4." This was irrelevant as I just really wanted stems anyway. BUT, further searching for valves revealed a NIBCO history page which listed an entire stem kit that was available: part # T090640 (fits 1/2" or 3/4"). I found a few sources for them via Internet search and 3 are on the way as I type this. I wanted to share the info in case it is helpful to you or anyone else dealing with discontinued NIBCO valves.

Awesome info but I just replace the entire valve when I need to.

It also wouldn’t surprise if Nibco tech support is wrong.

 

[FLForester]

Awesome info but I just replace the entire valve when I need to.

It also wouldn’t surprise if Nibco tech support is wrong.

In my case all three faucets emerge out a block wall and are sweated in copper lines. I am not a plumber, but unless there is something I do not understand, I believe part of the block would have to broken out to get access to them. Thus, I am trying to take the simplest approach here. It was also suggested that I could use an electric impact wrench to try to loosen the stems (while still supporting the valve body, of course. Seemed like a good idea.

 

[Twowaxhack]

In my case all three faucets emerge out a block wall and are sweated in copper lines. I am not a plumber, but unless there is something I do not understand, I believe part of the block would have to broken out to get access to them. Thus, I am trying to take the simplest approach here. It was also suggested that I could use an electric impact wrench to try to loosen the stems (while still supporting the valve body, of course. Seemed like a good idea.

Yes, with copper I would just heat them up and remove them. I would then install a male adapter at the proper depth and then screw a new sillcock on.

I don’t blame you for wanting to replace the guts, good for you. It wouldn’t be very price effective for a pro to make two trips and then hunt down parts. Makes sense for a homeowner to spent their time if they choose.

I often rob parts from different valves if they’ll work but sometimes they don’t.

Good luck

 

[FLForester]

Awesome info but I just replace the entire valve when I need to.

It also wouldn’t surprise if Nibco tech support is wrong.

Awesome info but I just replace the entire valve when I need to.

It also wouldn’t surprise if Nibco tech support is wrong.

I wanted to clarify something as I provided incorrect information to you. I was dismayed to find out the stems I ordered were not a direct fit for my faucet. Further research revealed that what I have is the 63/763 North American series not the 63CL/763CL Classic series. The new stems were for the Classic. I misidentified the stem application. BUT, all was not lost. The packing nut and handle interchange so those could be used. The base of the stem where the rubber washer attaches, however, is a hair too large to fit into my current faucet housing, but otherwise would work. So, I used a bench grinder to slightly reduce the size of the attachment circle. I believe my original size washer is a 3/8M (42/64ths) so it did not take too much to allow it to fit. Only the original threaded bonnet had to be reused. In essence, they are fully rebuilt. I am happy and relieved. Also, the electric impact wrench was awesome to break loose the bonnets since they had not moved in 32 years.

 

[Twowaxhack]

I wanted to clarify something as I provided incorrect information to you. I was dismayed to find out the stems I ordered were not a direct fit for my faucet. Further research revealed that what I have is the 63/763 North American series not the 63CL/763CL Classic series. The new stems were for the Classic. I misidentified the stem application. BUT, all was not lost. The packing nut and handle interchange so those could be used. The base of the stem where the rubber washer attaches, however, is a hair too large to fit into my current faucet housing, but otherwise would work. So, I used a bench grinder to slightly reduce the size of the attachment circle. I believe my original size washer is a 3/8M (42/64ths) so it did not take too much to allow it to fit. Only the original threaded bonnet had to be reused. In essence, they are fully rebuilt. I am happy and relieved. Also, the electric impact wrench was awesome to break loose the bonnets since they had not moved in 32 years.

Good job