Need Help! Does this gas/water pipe installation have problem?

[bigbadfatrabbit]

I signed a contract to buy a new home several weeks ago which is still under construction. Last Sunday I went to the house and noticed the plumbing work is very ugly...

It must have problem just from my sense. But I exactly have no idea about which code it violates. This is Oregon.

1. Three flexible pipes squeezed out from a tight hand-dug rough hole.

2. water pipe laid on the floor. It's even a little above the OSB subfloor.

Today I went to county for consultation and got the contact information of the county inspector. Just now, at the time I sent the email to the county inspector I got reply from the builder's superintendent. It is said:

For #1, "gas lines and are not going to leak. This is a standard installation and it passed inspection today."

For #2, "pipes in floor due to beam below. Not able to drill beam below. Structural integrity issues if drilled."


I am struggling and probably will decide to cancel the contract with losing the earnest money and upgrade deposit

BTW, the builder says it's "American #1 Builder"....

Please also let me know if you think I worry too much.

 

[frodo]

what concerns me is no nail shields, and the type of fittings used on the water.

the work looks very shoddy,

I would not have used the 90's to offset around the beam, I would have simply drilled a hole at an angle

and "looped" the pipe

where are those gas lines going? what is that product he is using ?

does it have a name on it ?

nail shields!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i would demand those holes be rat proofed...sheet metal covering hole

 

[CT18]

I would for sure follow up on nail plating and fire stopping. You do not want a drywall guy putting a screw into that gas. If it passes inspection I'm not sure what else you can do. I have never seen that type of flex gas before, but i haven't worked residential in many many years.

 

[frodo]

I am wondering,, did they split into 3 lines to go thru the hole.

then back to the steel pipe ?

I wold like to see more of this plumbing in this house...shoddy ****

 

[bigbadfatrabbit]

I think they will install nail shields. The home is still under construction. I am contacting the county inspector to check whether they violate the code.

The water pipe is on the floor which is actually slightly above the floor. I am afraid it will be broken after stress. Engineered hardwood floor will be installed.

what concerns me is no nail shields, and the type of fittings used on the water.

the work looks very shoddy,

I would not have used the 90's to offset around the beam, I would have simply drilled a hole at an angle

and "looped" the pipe

where are those gas lines going? what is that product he is using ?

does it have a name on it ?

nail shields!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i would demand those holes be rat proofed...sheet metal covering hole

 

[bigbadfatrabbit]

Yes, they split into 3 lines here to the kitchen, fireplace and water heater under the crawlspace.

I am wondering,, did they split into 3 lines to go thru the hole.

then back to the steel pipe ?

I wold like to see more of this plumbing in this house...shoddy ****

 

[frodo]

Yes, they split into 3 lines here to the kitchen, fireplace and water heater under the crawlspace.

what size is that black hose? propane or nat gas

 

[bigbadfatrabbit]

Not sure yet...

what size is that black hose? propane or nat gas

 

[KULTULZ]

Does the gas hose(s) appear to be corrugated?

http://www.csstsafety.com/CSST-primer.html#blackCSST

That's some sloppy work. How will you get drywall or cabinets against the sole plate?

 

[bigbadfatrabbit]

Thanks for the information! I will go and get more clear pictures.

Does the gas hose(s) appear to be corrugated?

http://www.csstsafety.com/CSST-primer.html#blackCSST

That's some sloppy work. How will you get drywall or cabinets against the sole plate?

 

[KULTULZ]

It seems to me...

That if there wasn't clearance to continue the black pipe through the sole plate, that at the least the plumber should have drilled through the plate as frodo so knowledgeably suggested (THANX frodo for my official LEARNED FACTOID of THE DAY as that would never have dawned on me) and run a single CSST line through that hole to be later branched under the flooring.

As for the water line, once a sub floor is installed, there will be continuous movement of the pipe with water flow and it will rub/possibly cause noise once flooring is installed.

Gas lines never leak... yeah, right...

Don't plumbers have to take a vow of causing no harm as doctors do...

 

[bigbadfatrabbit]

Update: the genius people did more work to "protect" the gas pipe.

 

[chapter142]

You have to use the manufactured hardened steel strike plates , the plates there are not rated for that install. I would also suggest the wound "floppy" shields for extra protection. Hopefully you have some sharp inspectors that will point out the poor installation/workmanship issues there.

 

[Matt30]

what concerns me is no nail shields, and the type of fittings used on the water.

What issue do you have with the Q&E fittings?

 

[KULTULZ]

You have to use the manufactured hardened steel strike plates , the plates there are not rated for that install.

I would also suggest the wound "floppy" shields for extra protection.

Hopefully you have some sharp inspectors that will point out the poor installation/workmanship issues there.

Both good catches...

CLICK HERE- https://www.gastite.com/downloads/pdfs/gastite_di_guide.pdf Scroll To Page 17

The striker plate size is not correct (special plate material also used for Gastite CSST) and no steel coiling used to protect the rest of the tubing not protected by the plate. Also shown on the page are special striker plates used @ plate penetration(s).

The install is going to need a plate for the floor also-

Look at the stress on the black pipe-

You know, in addition to a plumbers license, one must take a course and pass to be certified by Gastite CSST to buy and install. Maybe this plumber was not certified and the contractor is buying supplies with his license and not training his plumbers correctly...

Is this as bad or worse than the WH expansion tank on the TPRV discharge line shown recently?