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redgrape

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Hi, I hope I can get some tips on how to fix this flange. I fixed two other at home with no problem. In those two, the metal rings could be freely rotated around the plastic and the rings were not fastened to the floor either. So I just used aviation snips to cut the rings and take them out. And then I just put in a replacement ring, particularly: Oatey 42777 Moss Bay PVC or ABS Closet Replacement Flange, Gray - Faucet Flanges - Amazon.com. This one turns out to be more difficult. There appear to be a few nails which may have been used to fasten the ring to the floor. Or the ring is attached/glued to the plastic. I can't tell, as the ring doesn't move. Those nails are not screws. So I am not sure how to remove the ring. Hopefully I can get some ideas from you. Thank you for your time!

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You sure those are nails? Looks like a Phillips head screw to me. Either way, remove the fasteners from each hole and the flange will be loose and removable.
 

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Even if that one is a Philips head screw, it is really stripped, as the drive in the head is hardly recognizable. And the other ones are just completely rusted and not recognizable. Either screws or nails, how do I remove them? Thanks!
 
Thanks, everyone. I tried hand impact driver and it just didn't budge. Even if it does, it won't work for the other several ones which are just completely rusted and flattened. I can't identify any sign of having drives in their heads.

I have been thinking about using a cutting disc and it is great to get some confirmation from sawguy. I will try that and let you know. Will an oscillating tool also work?

Yes, I used cloth to block the hole. I removed it while taking the picture since I wanted it to be as clear as possible.
 
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With the correct metal cutting blade, an oscillating tool would work fine. A cutting disc would also work, but you may need a bit of finesse.
 
Thanks, everyone. I tried hand impact driver and it just didn't budge. Even if it does, it won't work for the other several ones which are just completely rusted and flattened. I can't identify any sign of having drives in their heads.

I have been thinking about using a cutting disc and it is great to get some confirmation from sawguy. I will try that and let you know. Will an oscillating tool also work?

Yes, I used cloth to block the hole. I removed it while taking the picture since I wanted it to be as clear as possible.
 
Hi sawguy, thanks for mentioning this. I was totally clueless about it. The toilet has been removed for a few weeks. Do I still need to worry about methane?
 
The trap is in the toilet, so yes you will still have sewer gas escaping. Get a test plug, not an expensive item. Sold at any box store. Will also keep debris from going down. Then vacuum out when done.
 
You can drill out screw heads.
Drill a very shallow and tiny hole, right in the center.
Straight down, no tilt, very accurate.
Then switch to a slightly bigger bit.
Keep going up in bit size until you have a bit just a little bigger than the expected size of the shaft of the screw.
Drill this hole deeper, until the screw head pops off from the shaft.
 
Hi. I want to provide an update on the project. I tried a drive impact screwdriver which didn't move the screws any bit. I was able to get out one of the screws using a screw extractor. However, it failed on other screws. I kept increasing the sizes of the drill bits and extract bits. But the screws wouldn't budge. I even used penetrating oil. I then used an oscillating tool to carve out a drive on each screw head and then tried to use a screwdriver/drill on it. This was able to turn one of the screws for a little while until the head broke off. The heads of other screws also broke off before I could turn them any bit. I think the screw extractor damaged them. If I used the oscillating tool at the beginning, maybe it would have worked.

I then realized that, even if I had managed to get out the screws, it won't have helped. After everything was done, I could see the metal ring is clipped into the plastic sleeve. So the idea of just replacing the metal ring was not going to work. I used the oscillating tool to make a circular cut inside the plastic sleeve and got the ring out. After that, I used a hammer and a chisel to knock off the rest of the sleeve that's glued to the PVC pipe. Now it is done!

By the way, I even got the test plug. But it doesn't fit. I think its diameter is not large enough for the pipe. Nevertheless, even though there were some tiny sparks when I used the oscillating tool to carve out the drives, I didn't feel there was any risk. I guess there isn't much gas as the smell is really very faint now, since the toilet has been taken out for over a month! (How stubborn those screws are!)

The next step is to glue a new flange to the pipe. Thank you all for the input!
 
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